Taking The Next Step

[Jeff Lewis]

Poor Kitty...it sounds like she is having issues upgrading and things? Well that is one of the major changes. We now offer paid support which she can take advantage of or become a charter member and get support for her forums.

The change makes it easier for us to move into a long term support position - makes it a much stronger package as well.

[Matt Siegman]

Good luck with the new board, though I wish you would have copied the member database over...

[klumy]

i also begin to like SMF ;-)

Except for the Icons
the old ones are better

[Jeff Lewis]

Heh it takes only a minute of our ultra important lives to sign up again...

As for the icons/smilies etc, what you see is ONE theme. The forum itself will ship with a few themes Shortly you'll be able to select a theme right on the forum as well.

[klumy]

Shortly you'll be able to select a theme right on the forum as well.

I'm impressed  

[KarterJK]

Ummm,
I just installed PHP,YabbSE,MySQL and now I guess I am a little confused.....

Am I understanding this correctly,  YabbSE is being replaced by SMF?  and YabbSE will not proceed any further unless someone else picks it up for future development..

[David]

Instead of releasing a version 1.6.0 or 2.0 under the YaBB SE name we have decided to instead release a 1.0 version under the new name of SMF.  This is being done to reinforce the idea of just how much has changed.  The project has evolved from the original port and has taken on a life of its own.

[Zef Hemel]

Poor Kitty...it sounds like she is having issues upgrading and things? Well that is one of the major changes. We now offer paid support which she can take advantage of or become a charter member and get support for her forums.

The change makes it easier for us to move into a long term support position - makes it a much stronger package as well.

FYI, Kitty is one of the crewmembers at yabb.nl and knows VERY well how to install YaBB (SE)

[Fizzy]

Instead of releasing a version 1.6.0 or 2.0 under the YaBB SE name we have decided to instead release a 1.0 version under the new name of SMF.  This is being done to reinforce the idea of just how much has changed.  The project has evolved from the original port and has taken on a life of its own.

* Fizzy stands up and gets ready to be shot at.

Isn't that like Ferarri saying they're changing their name to Simple Cars Ltd and will start off turning our four door saloons?

I mean, YaBBSE has a fantastic reputation which it has spent years building up. I can understand the idea of a complete re-release, but to change the name and the site seems weird to me.
You seem to be throwing away all the hard work that you guys have put in in to making YaBBSE the best free BB on the planet.

Once SMF is ready to convert over to without any loss I will gladly consider doing it, but right now all I see is promises of it being great and yet it lacks basic functions that many of us take for granted on our mod'ed boards.

[David]

but right now all I see is promises of it being great and yet it lacks basic functions that many of us take for granted on our mod'ed boards.

Remember that it is currently considered Alpha.  We know that YaBB SE 1.5.4 is lacking in terms of features and functionality and some of this has been fixed in SMF as well as much more planned.

I guess what I am trying to say is just trust us.  We havn't screwed you guys over in the past with upgrades, exception being 1.5.0 but we learned, and we don't plan to screw you over now.

[Spaceman-Spiff]

Isn't that like Ferarri saying they're changing their name to Simple Cars Ltd and will start off turning our four door saloons?

I mean, YaBBSE has a fantastic reputation which it has spent years building up. I can understand the idea of a complete re-release, but to change the name and the site seems weird to me.

The problem is, we _don't_ have a name as big as the Ferarri!
And people often have bad connotation when hearing the word YaBB. People often relate YSE to YaBB (slow, resource intesive, etc, etc) and not seeing that YSE != YaBB. With this big step we're taking, we're trying to create a fresh start for the forum software.
I do like the name YaBB and i think YaBB will gain its reputation back as a great forum software once YaBB2 is released, but somehow there's a feel that YaBBSE is always just YaBB's shadow if we're still using YaBB name, although all of the code has been rewritten in the new version. Of course there are pro and cons of using a new name, but I'll fully support the devs decision.

[Tim C]

I've had long talks about this with Jeff, Compuart and Joseph.

In the begining, I didn't understand why.
Now I do, and should I have some more time, I'd like to get involved.
It takes a while to get used to the whole idea, but it's the same thing, only a lot better...

[[Unknown]]

Look, here's what yuo have to understand, Kitty... others.  If I do a diff between 1.5.x's Sources/Admin.php and SMF's Sources/Admin.php... it'll come out as COMPLETELY different.  I mean, they're about as similar as 1.5.x's Admin.php is to 1.5.x's Subs.php.

All of the files have been so changed that there is not one single mod that will not require significant change to be ported from 1.5.x to SMF.

Now, I know we all like the "YaBB SE" name - I like it to... but, naming it "YaBB SE" gives everyone the wrong idea...

I've been told that YaBB SE is flat file.  I've been told about it's security holes, it's vulnerabilities.  I've been told it's very slow and inefficient.  Maybe it is... but SMF is not.

If you take a few moments to browse the simplemachines.org community, you'll notice ALL the load times are SIGINIFICANTLY lower there than here.  AND, both sites are running on EXACTLY the same web server.

The change made from YaBB SE 1.0.0 to YaBB SE 1.5.4 is less much pronounced than the change from YaBB SE 1.5.4 to SMF.  It is no longer anything like the YaBB it was ported from, so... well, quite simply it is NO LONGER "YaBB" Splinter Edition.

I made a theme for it once - for fun.  I made it look so much like phpBB I fooled a few people into thinking it was phpBB.

Keeping it as "YaBB SE" really is a farce - because it is no longer that.  It no longer looks like YaBB code.  $settings[7] will give you a number that means little to you... $moderators doesn't exist.... it's simply not the same any longer.

Now, if it had been ported off YaBB 2... then *MAYBE* we could have still called it YaBB SE.  But.. it hasn't been.  It's nothing like YaBB 2...

-[Unknown]

[Kitty]

Thnx Metho  ...

If someone of the YaBBSE org team members had been so kind to translate an make a normal info mailing out of it it was'nt so hard to find ot what the plans where !!

This quote make me worry

Poor Kitty...it sounds like she is having issues upgrading and things? Well that is one of the major changes. We now offer paid support which she can take advantage of or become a charter member and get support for her forums.

The change makes it easier for us to move into a long term support position - makes it a much stronger package as well.

Who thinks Jeff Lewis  he is !! to make such a remark !!
That giving me a no  trust at all  for the good support people get all over the world from YaBB !!


Yes i am Global Moderator  at YaBB NL, Admin at YaBB Platinum, Moderator at YaBB forum.com( perl).
I know how to Upgrade, install, make Mod's working, rewrite them for my need's  that not my issue.

I am talking for the people i give support,  should they pay for an upgrade to ....  No Free support stay's ...
but for how long

If i read what Jeff Lewis say's to me ..... i know i will see that answere more than i will like in the future !! That makes me so angry, i think that's not the YaBB way of thinking


I know the code writers did a lot of work, worked very very hard I have seen a preview of this version in june, it looks great, i think they did a good job.
I can not find a download on the new site so i did not tested it by myself.

Just the way this is pressented gives me a  gmmbbllll feeling.....  that not the way i expected it


Kitty...

[sensovision]

I've impressed, great job! I like new look and speed! Keep on good job folks! I'm with you